Questions about Feeding

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  • ssthomasssthomas Charter Member
    I used mouthwash nearly every feed on my EC swim. It was lovely. I think you should play it by ear and use it when your mouth and throat start to hurt. I must keep my mouth wide open because the salt water gets to me fast.
  • Hi Molly

    I am with you. I have used Maxim for over 2 years and really grew to like it. On my Channel swim I hated it warm and in the end my crew stopped adding hot water. Much better... I think if you are used to it cold then have it cold. When I got it warm I did not feel it helped me feel warmer (I just felt like vomiting) To be frank, I was just bloody cold no matter what. The Maxim still got me to France though... Simon
  • It seemed like a dream when the @Lone Swimmer showed up at our trailer at Varne Ridge and when through our gear, replaced it with better gear and came back and stayed for more than an hour giving us advice. I love this place...The Forum. Will stick around awhile. Thank you Lone Swimmer, you are wonderful...P.S. the first feed I got thrown to me straight in the eye.
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  • I love this thread! It is so important that you try your feed strategy before your focus swim! I learned this lesson the hard way; when I did Boston Light Swim in 2012, my feeds weren't tried beforehand and they made me nauseous; I couldn't even take down the last feed. It wasn't a good time to learn that Clif bars and Gatorade wouldn't work as a nutritional strategy for me.

    I have to give a thumbs up to Perpeteum. I know that some people can't take it down, but the proportion and flavoring are incredibly important, as well as the mixing. For mixing, I used a Blender Bottle from GNC; they are _fantastic_ for thoroughly mixing feed. The secret is that there's this springy metal ball in the bottle that mixes the feed as you shake the bottle. Very crucial when you are mixing your feed a bit heavy. Second, read the instructions for proportions and try it out. My feed was three scoops of Perpeteum per serving (normal is 1 scoop for smaller people and 2 scoops for larger people, I forget what the cutoff is right now). I learned that I needed more after trying it and still bonking in the middle of a long training swim. Experimentation is VITAL. Finally, I added OJ into the mix to give it a bit of flavor. That won't work for most people, but for me it was awesome.

    I guess what I have to say is that everyone's feed works differently, and in order to find your optimum feed you have to try it. During my Catalina channel swim this summer, I fed every 30 minutes with alternating feeds: the first was my Perpeteum mix and the second was low sodium chicken soup with a mouthwash rinse chaser. I think that it's good to have a changing feed so that you don't get sick of your only nutrition source. I had several people question my choice of chicken soup for a feed, but I'm glad I insisted on it for psychological reasons (even cold chicken soup makes me feel warmer), it was a great source of protein which I do think is really important (at least for me), and the fact that some runners use it in the ultramarathon running world which gave it cred. In the end it worked flawlessly.
  • This is all great inforamation for someone new to marathon swimming.

    A follow up question, and it may be personal preference to some degree, but at what distance or swim time do you need to consider a feeding plan? I swam a 5k this summer, with no feedings, finished strong and in a time just under 1hr17 min. I did eat a banana and watermelon and was plenty hydrated before the swim. I'm doing a 4.4 mile in June and expect to finish under 2 hours. Should I be concerned with feedings or will a similar game plan of eating and hydrating befor the swim be ok?
  • I used to swim through the 4.4 mile GCBBS without feeds. You'll be fine, but starving at the finish. They usually have good food at the finish.
  • SharkoSharko Sonoma County, CAMember
    If the swim is tough one due to unforseen conditions, even though you had a big bowl of steel cut oats and hydrated with carbo drinks before, you may find it beneficial to feed...you may want to tuck a couple of goos in you speedo..can put in a small bagee so they don't float away....good insurance after an hour or so....
    "I never met a shark I didn't like"
  • @ gtswim GCBS?? I thought they weren't pulling names for the lottery until January, or do you have early bird status? Doubt you will want to stop for a feed but Sharko's right. Never a bad idea to have a gel pack in your suit for insurance.
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    gregoc said:

    I used to swim through the 4.4 mile GCBBS without feeds. You'll be fine, but starving at the finish. They usually have good food at the finish.

    I did the GCBBS a few years back and a support boat offered me a cheeseburger about half way through the race, so I ate it...FWIW it was one of my worst races ever.
  • bobswimsbobswims Charter Member
    One thing is make sure you eat enough. I used the same equation for EC as I did for Catalina, but the colder water increased my caloric needs. I didn't adjust properly and ran out of steam after 14+ hours. I also started to get cold and I think that also had to do with not eating enough as well.
  • @JBirrrd Yes, early bird. I didn't want to take any chances with the lottery and wanted to do the swim by or at age 45.

    I'm thinking I should be ok without feeding and it seems from the comments I will. Maybe I'll tuck a gel in my suit just in case.

    @Mike_Gemelli There is no way I could eat a cheeseburger in the middle of a swim.
  • Good for you then @gtswim. :-) I will be at the finish cheering on my friends. As you probably know, it's a big event in MD. It will be fun for you to be a part of the excitement. I don't know your level of experience, but don't worry about the feeds. Shouldn't be an issue at all. All the best with your training!
  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    This thread hasn't been active for ~6 months, but it's a good one, worth a bump.
  • Cole_GCole_G Member
    I actually read through this thread a few days ago and went ahead and placed an order for my very first container of Carbo Pro. Very interested to see what its like.
  • I've had to make a concentrated effort to drink more. It has been a part of training...in September I could only drink about 6oz during long races. I had no problem with gels though (I actually really like them and even have one to half of one before early morning workouts when I'm too sleepy to feel hungry sometimes!) Butfluids were another story...
    I know Maxim and Carbo Pro are supposed to be exactly the same thing, but I felt sick upon the first sip of Maxim, but Carbo Pro had much less of a gag reflex. Maybe try different brands.
    At first we flavored Carbo Pro with gatorade but it made it kinda peppery tasting. Then we swtiched to apple juice and water. Last weekend I had 200 calories carbo pro, 4 oz apple juice, 8 oz water, and 4 oz diet cranberry ginger ale. Apple juice and ginger ale is my favorite drink when I feel sick and this was a really good combo...although it is strange to drink soda when you are swimming! I think I'm going to use this combo for TBMS, or at least have a bottle of it.

    RE: college training? Lol! We used to do this thing called "case race" right before dry season for college swimming where we had to drink a case of beer as fast as possible. I've never really been a drinker, so I was on "Team Sober" and drank root beer. My friend drank six 12 oz cans of apple juice in 2 1/2 minutes!!! Everyone wished that she actually drank beer becasue our team sober was only exhibitionary.

    Never realized that case race was actually going to be good swim training in the long run....
  • Thanks @evmo, I love it when you bump a good thread.

    Reading through all these, it really shows that experimentation and trial/error is the only way to really know what works for each of us.
    And I've enjoyed figuring this out for myself...it's been fun, and it's added a functional pleasure and purpose to getting mentally motivated for longer training swims: I look forward to finding out what it's gonna feel like after 4 hrs, 5hrs, 6hrs...etc.

    For me it's been great. I've continued down the path of being keto-adapted and using UCAN super starch, and as I've gone longer I've realized I need even less intake of calories from UCAN (feeding on the hour with about 30g -about 110 calories- in 8oz water; I use Vanilla w a little protein) and found that I need to hydrate more, so I take water and Biosteel on each half hour.
    I realized as I've been building up that when I was feeling a little depleted that it was actually due to needing more hydration, and I've really liked using Biosteel to replenish.

    So far so good...
  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    edited April 1

    I've continued down the path of being keto-adapted and using UCAN super starch

    UCAN is an interesting product; I've always thought so, ever since I heard Peter Attia talk about it on a webinar with @Munatones.

    Oddly enough, I've never tried it; haven't found the motivation to switch from what I've already found works for me on long swims (malto flavored with fruit juice for a total of 270-300 cal/hr -- simple & cheap).

    Question I've sometimes wondered about: Is UCAN something to consider even for people who haven't adopted the low-carb lifestyle? And why?
  • I tried UCAN this past weekend. I was only swimming for 2 hours , in 56 F so really didn't need anything but water, but I LOVED IT. I don't know how effective it would be on a LONG swim as the calories are miniscule,but for a quick boost w a pleasant
    ( YES!!) taste and feel... It was great.
    Doesn't answer @evmo's question but ...
    I love swimming
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  • @suziedods :-)
    What flavor?

    @evmo,
    I've wondered about that as well...and I've answered this way when talking about it with others:
    The way I understand it (and introduced to it and the concept from Peter), I don't see the benefit of using it unless one has gone low-carb and conditioned to being keto-adapted. Otherwise, it's just a minimal calorie replacement which may not bode well for most who rely on glycogen as their main source of energy and thus need to replenish frequently and fully.
    So, although UCAN doesn't openly say it (could impede sales!), I think it is necessary to be keto-adapted (i.e., conditioned the body to utilize fat stores as first and primary energy source). And though I'm not sure whether one can become keto-adapted during exercise only, (meaning they don't have to go low-carb diet overall, and can somehow condition to create the lipid partitioning during workouts by keeping insulin level down with use of super starch), or if it's necessary to reduce insulin spiking overall thus allowing the body to start to condition and utilize fat stores even in non-exercise...?

    I started down both paths simultaneously...so, I'm not sure.

    Evan, you once commented on the high cost of UCAN, (which just increased again! getting popular?!), and though I haven't done the exact calculation, I do use much less UCAN than I would otherwise use with other products, so I think it at least somewhat balances out.

    One of the main advantages that UCAN touts about super starch (because it doesn't spike insulin and thus stabilizes blood sugar -allowing for fat to be utilized-, i.e., no sugar/insulin roller coaster) is that it doesn't create any GI distress, which is the all too common culprit in the demise of any endurance sport endeavor.
    And that certainly has been true for me.

    A couple current marathon swimmers who are trying UCAN to hopefully alleviate GI distress experiences in all their previous swimming endeavors:
    Helen Gibbs
    Janet Kylander Manning

    Helen is doing Catalina this year; Janet is doing SCAR next month.
    So, perhaps they'll chime in here to see how they fared...?

  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    Thanks, Dan.
  • gregocgregoc Member
    Here is a good link comparing the different starches. During exercise there appears to be not much of a difference. The SuperStarch does avoid an insulin spike (good for diabetics).

    http://fellrnr.com/wiki/Maltodextrin
  • JBirrrdJBirrrd Member
    edited April 3
    @evmo said:

    Question I've sometimes wondered about: Is UCAN something to consider even for people who haven't adopted the low-carb lifestyle? And why?

    I am volunteering to be the token UCan user/guinea pig, who is not going the keto-adapted low carb lifestyle. Impossible for me as I never met a carb I didn't like and don't even suggest me reducing my beer intake.

    I have been using this product since November. My reason, severe GI issues in every long swim last season. Looking for a solution, I came across UCan & checked out some of Peter Attia's research. Not a nutrition expert, not interested in becoming one, but what I saw & heard made sense so here I am. Have yet to use the product out in ow. Will let you know mid-May. What I can say is that I too note the need for fewer feeds. I take 8 oz every hour (w/ a scoop of Hammer Endurolyte) and hydrate on the half hour in between. I am not a fan of the sweetness so I mix a flavor & plain 50/50.
    Recently learned that mixing the powder w/ boiling water the night before then refrigerating takes away the chalky texture.
    Praying this works in Arizona. Do not want to puke in front of @ForeverSwim or @Fil , my kayakers. :-)
  • flystormsflystorms Dallas/Ft Worth, TXMember
    Ha! I'm with you on that JBirrrd. Can't give up the carbs or beer for sure. No keto for me.

    So I've been using the lemon flavored UCAN stuff for about 2 months now on the long swims (2-4hrs). I take one bottle before the workout after b'fast and on the way to the pool. After about 30 minutes, I've been rotating sips/slugs between a second bottle of UCAN and water and it has worked out very well so far. I never get the gastro/tummy churn issues like I did when I was an ultra runner (used Perpetum and/or Gatorade then), and I don't get hunger/sugar cravings either. And it does feel like steady, even energy. Towards the last hour or so of my longest swims, I start drinking some low-cal Gatorade just for a different flavor/texture.

    Great idea on the boiling water. Will have to try that.
  • DanSimonelliDanSimonelli Member
    edited April 3
    flystorms said:


    And it does feel like steady, even energy. Towards the last hour or so of my longest swims, I start drinking some low-cal Gatorade just for a different flavor/texture.

    @flystorms,
    I don't think the Gatorade is a good idea, even the "low-cal" i.e., lower sugar.
    The sugar, even the lower amount, can (depends on individual's insulin resistance) spike insulin and interfere with the benefit and purpose of using the super starch.

    For "different flavor/texture", perhaps try an electrolyte product...with no sugar.
  • gregoc said:

    Here is a good link comparing the different starches. During exercise there appears to be not much of a difference. The SuperStarch does avoid an insulin spike (good for diabetics).

    http://fellrnr.com/wiki/Maltodextrin

    Here are a couple posts regarding this as well:

    http://eatingacademy.com/sports-and-nutrition/introduction-to-superstarch-part-i

    http://eatingacademy.com/sports-and-nutrition/introduction-to-superstarch-part-ii


    And one that addresses our question posed above:

    http://eatingacademy.com/sports-and-nutrition/ketones-carbohydrates-can-co-exist
  • As to Gatorade.. I used it and Gu on my EC solo ... It obviously worked fine, I finished... and I had used it on all my training swims. I STILL will not touch orange gatorade however. Gu, I love but orange gatorade ... NEVER again.As to low -cal gatorade? what's the point??/
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  • suziedods said:

    As to Gatorade.. I used it and Gu on my EC solo ... It obviously worked fine, I finished... and I had used it on all my training swims. I STILL will not touch orange gatorade however. Gu, I love but orange gatorade ... NEVER again.As to low -cal gatorade? what's the point??/

    The only stuff I've ever had real success with was Gatorade. Like Suzie, not a fan of the orange stuff during a race. I've always gone with reds, purples, or blues. All-time faves are fierce melon, fierce berry, and the Tiger Woods flavors which were pseudo-cherry. For hourly carbs, I went with Ultra Fuel. Chocolate Power Gels towards the finish if my mind and body were wandering.

    My greatest nemesis has always been cramping. I've tried everything from expensive Hammer products to the "sell your soul to the Devil; nectar of the cramping anti-God" pickle juice. That is some harsh sh*t. At least the aftertaste is somewhat pleasant after you barf it all your kayaker.

    I feed every 12 minutes with very few exceptions and still was having cramping issues. At the 2008 USMS 25K nationals, I started cramping around 5K. My race was over after an hour. It came on so fast I didn't have a defense. I hung in to finish the race, but added an hour to my best time. I didn't urinate until the next day.

    For salt replacement, I was turned on to Success Caps by a triathlete friend of mine. They seemed to do the trick. About 3 months after my 25K debacle I got through a 20K in around 3H 45M with these capsules on board. The conditions were about the same for the two races.

    The only advice I ever give on nutrition is to keep an open mind and try everything; settle on what works for you and don't let people convince you otherwise. After my first swim in Dover Harbor, I was questioned by some locals about my training and what I would be using nutrition-wise for my race. They were flabbergasted when I advised that I was going to use Gatorade and Ultra Fuel. They said that my swim would not be successful because I needed to be training around 8-10 hours/day leading up to my swim, and because I wasn't using Maxim (which they were selling on the "beach").

    On another notion, I would highly discourage hammering a beer or two towards end of the Key West swim when you still have 2 miles to go. Miller Lite does not help with one's hydration.
  • flystormsflystorms Dallas/Ft Worth, TXMember
    Thanks Dan. I'll look into that.

    Chris - no beer? Sheesh, you're no fun! ;-)

    Suzie - "...whats the point?" again, it's only keeping hydrated with some flavor. That's it... just a flavor change from the UCAN, plain water, and chlorinated water.
  • lakespraylakespray Member
    For taste purposes does anyone add a little artificial sweetener to the Carbo Pro mix? Also I've added a few drops olive oil to a 24 oz mix. Just a little bit of fat seems to keep the hunger pangs down, comments?
  • Question: Homebrew beer suppliers appear to be selling maltodextrin (as a thickening agent) a lot cheaper than fitness/diet retailers. $2-$3/lb. for 10 lbs or less and as low as $.85/lb. for 100 lb barrels. Is this the same product? Anything else I should be concerned about if I order it from a beer supplier?
  • dc_in_sfdc_in_sf San FranciscoMember
    lakespray said:

    For taste purposes does anyone add a little artificial sweetener to the Carbo Pro mix? Also I've added a few drops olive oil to a 24 oz mix. Just a little bit of fat seems to keep the hunger pangs down, comments?

    No idea about fat, but I am experimenting with Cottee's Cordial as a flavouring agent. While it is full of sugar, at the recommended mix strength it has roughly half the calories of apple juice which is anecdotally one of the popular choices to mix with maltodextrin.

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  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    edited May 19

    Question: Homebrew beer suppliers appear to be selling maltodextrin (as a thickening agent) a lot cheaper than fitness/diet retailers. $2-$3/lb. for 10 lbs or less and as low as $.85/lb. for 100 lb barrels. Is this the same product? Anything else I should be concerned about if I order it from a beer supplier?

    There are different categories of maltodextrin, but it's a good bet the stuff from the beer supplier will be nutritionally equivalent to Carbo Pro or Maxim. Can you sample it first?

    I've found NOW Foods "Carbo Gain" bulk maltodextrin (cheaper than Carbo Pro, but probably not as cheap as the beer supplier) to be perfectly suitable for distance swimming.

    The stuff you'll want to seek out from the beer supplier is QD M500 (quick-dispersing) maltodextrin.

    There was already some discussion of this earlier in the thread, see here:
    http://www.marathonswimmers.org/forum/discussion/comment/983#Comment_983

    Also typing "maltodextrin" in the search box gives some good results.
  • ChickenOSeaChickenOSea Charter Member
    dc_in_sf said:



    No idea about fat, but I am experimenting with Cottee's Cordial as a flavouring agent. While it is full of sugar, at the recommended mix strength it has roughly half the calories of apple juice which is anecdotally one of the popular choices to mix with maltodextrin.

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    Love green cordial! That's a good idea. I've been using Ribena. So far so good.
  • I think I'm addicted, I've been drinking it for decades, from the original when you used to have to make your own from the concentrate by dissolving bucketloads of sugar in boiling water and then adding the concentrate. Still use it for all my drinks for training in drink bottles with some powdered powderade. :)
  • IronMikeIronMike Bishkek, KyrgyzstanCharter Member
    dc_in_sf said:



    No idea about fat, but I am experimenting with Cottee's Cordial as a flavouring agent. While it is full of sugar, at the recommended mix strength it has roughly half the calories of apple juice which is anecdotally one of the popular choices to mix with maltodextrin.

    image



    Good God, I really thought that was dishwasher detergent. Reminds me of that great SNL skit:

    https://screen.yahoo.com/pet-chow-ad-000000543.html
  • dc_in_sfdc_in_sf San FranciscoMember
    IronMike said:

    Good God, I really thought that was dishwasher detergent. Reminds me of that great SNL skit:

    https://screen.yahoo.com/pet-chow-ad-000000543.html

    It is pretty much the Australian equivalent of Kool-Aid but in a liquid form. Every Aussie kid grows up drinking the stuff, and for whatever reason the green cordial holds a special place in many an Aussie's heart. I was stoked when I found I could get it online in the US :)

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  • ChickenOSeaChickenOSea Charter Member
    Raised on green cordial!! I'll have to look online
  • Just my opinion...
    Feeds are incredibly personal to the biology of the athlete and the conditions the athlete is training or competing in. There are several constants...if you are hungry-you are not taking enough calories (during or before), if it is hot conditions-more sodium/electrolytes, colder conditions-less electrolytes/sodium, nauseous or the runs-too much calorie and or electrolyte...and the list can go on. Point is that you should start with a base line and work up and/or down from there in your training. You also need to be aware of what type of swimmer you are.....do you swim at a higher threshold? If so, your glycogen needs are higher. Do you swim at a lower threshold, then your fat store needs are higher. You gotta know your body.
    I swim and train at a higher threshold so my glycogen needs are higher. I eat a pretty high protein and healthy fats diet. I do so to ensure that my body has reserve but I train and race on Carbo Pro Hydra C5....no gels, snacks, etc. I take in 300-350 cal per hour. I take a min of 150 cal per half hour in 6/8oz of water (more if hot). My feeds are between 4-6 seconds long. I have never had the "roller coaster" issues, and I've only been sick when I have deviated from the plan.
    I have tried nearly everything....Perpetuem, Heed, Sustained Energy, UCan, Maxim, Cytomax, Cytocarb, and the list goes on. The best thing for me is the Carbo Pro and I haven't looked back since.
  • I like to mix in a product called Mio. One squirt and carbo pro tastes great. I've been experimenting with pb&j sandwiches and have eaten them at hour 2 and 3 of a 4 hour swim along with carbo pro.
  • Cole_GCole_G Member

    I've been experimenting with pb&j sandwiches and have eaten them at hour 2 and 3 of a 4 hour swim along with carbo pro.

    @Leprechaunturd, I am very glad to hear that there is someone else on the PB&J feed plan. PB&J sandwiches (specifically Smucker uncrustables) have been my primary snack at swim meets ever since I got serious with swimming. I even used them when I started doing triathlons (I actually did my first ever olympic tri with a PB&J sandwich in a ziplock bag taped to the down tube of my bike haha). I haven't had the chance to try them during a long open water swim just yet, but plan to give it a go this weekend. Hopefully they will treat me as well in open water as they have on pool decks for years :)

    Also just to share my own personal preference for flavoring carbo-pro, nothing beats the delicious refreshing taste of Country Time Pink Lemonade.

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    While I haven't tested it during a race just yet, it has been working quite well for me in training over the past month.
  • @Cole_G I just turned on to them in the past couple months. I don't know how they will treat me on Sunday as I am swimming 13 miles in 80+ degree water so I will use them sparingly.
  • I tried the pb&j on Sunday with not good results. Basically aspirated it. :(
  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    edited May 27
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    I prefer it with a bit of fruit juice flavoring, but CarboPro leaves that part up to you, which IMO is a good thing :)

    (PS, I am not financially involved/invested/motivated by CarboPro, just an ordinary consumer. Though I'm certainly a fan of their sponsored marathon swimmer!)
  • slknightslknight Member


    Then we swtiched to apple juice and water. Last weekend I had 200 calories carbo pro, 4 oz apple juice, 8 oz water, and 4 oz diet cranberry ginger ale. Apple juice and ginger ale is my favorite drink when I feel sick and this was a really good combo...although it is strange to drink soda when you are swimming! I think I'm going to use this combo for TBMS, or at least have a bottle of it.

    Is that every half hour or every hour?

    Today, I mixed 1 scoop carbo pro (100 calories), 8 oz water, and 4 oz grape juice (80 calories). I just could not gulp that down. I had that over the course of 2 hours in 62 degree water. I'm thinking I need to at least double-triple that caloric intake? I actually didn't feel too bad though.

    I'm going to have to try pink lemonade next because I wasn't loving grape. I don't normally drink much juice at all so I'm having trouble finding a flavoring I like.

  • @slknight The 200 calorie mixture was for a 20 oz bottle that lasted for maybe three feeds @ 30 minutes. I have a gel every other feed too, so I average about 250-300 calories an hour, 150 calories of gel and 200 calories of carbo pro and a little juice over 90 minutes.
    The math is a little complicated, but I go by a nice mix of careful calculations and how I feel. If I've been going faster than pace swimming for a long amount of time, then I usually like a gel. I like more gels than carbo pro in colder water too. It really is a personal thing!
  • slknightslknight Member
    Thanks. That makes sense. I'm definitely still playing around with it. Any way you calculate it though, I don't think the 90 calories/hour I had is going to work. I could not stop eating the rest of the day.
  • j9swimj9swim new york Member
    i'm considering only using carbo pro for my first long swim (6 hours) and not any solid food. Last year i swam Chesapeake in 3:45 without anything (including water)...seem crazy or sane? i'm already slow when i swim - an extra 3 minutes across 10 feedings...and i'm afraid i'll miss the tide. and i don't have time to do a lot of experimenting to find out what works best - looking for some feedback.
  • @j9swim I find that around 4 hours I get a nagging hunger. If I take on some applesauce or yogurt in one of those squeeze tubes it gets me through the 6 hours.
  • KNicholasKNicholas ArizonaMember
    A couple of products I'd like to try given recent performances by swimmers using Carbo Pro and UCan.

    A good article on nutrition leading up to a swim: http://dailynews.openwaterswimming.com/2014/05/dan-simonelli-envisions-and-enjoys-long.html

    Just my opinion...
    Feeds are incredibly personal to the biology of the athlete and the conditions the athlete is training or competing in. The best thing for me is the Carbo Pro and I haven't looked back since.

    JBirrrd said:

    I am volunteering to be the token UCan user/guinea pig, who is not going the keto-adapted low carb lifestyle. Impossible for me as I never met a carb I didn't like and don't even suggest me reducing my beer intake.

  • JBirrrdJBirrrd Member
    Gosh I love it when I write stuff that makes it clear that I am not a seriously committed athlete...
    BUT, in case you missed my other post SCAR comment, I seem to have found the solution to my GI issues w/ this UCan product. Not saying it will work for everyone, but always worth a try.
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