"World" championships

evmoevmo Admin
edited March 2013 in General Discussion
The last few comments have been off topic, and frankly don't do justice to the thoughtful content in the rest of the USMS Sanctioning thread.

@Niek, if you have a problem, take it up with @Munatones, a.k.a. "WOWSA."

[From comments split from: USMS OW SANCTIONING.]

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  • NiekNiek Member
    edited March 2013

    The good news in all of this is that the World Open Water Swimming Association has stepped up. It has helped us find insurance that is affordable and workable. Its sanctioning requirements are true to our brand of open water swimming. And we have reached agreement with them to be the host of the WOWSA, 10 Mile World Championships for the next five years. We are thrilled to be taking this step. And we welcome WOWSA to The Kingdom. We are going to have “some kind of fun” as we continue to open the lakes of the Northeast Kingdom to world class open water swimming.

    A good thing that you found a partner/sponsor in the WOWSA

    Only one major problem with this:
    Hey USA your not the whole of America and certainly not the whole world.
    What gives you the rights to call it a World Championships? You haven't got the rights even to call it the US or American Championships.
    http://openwaterswimming.eu - Cold, wind, waves, sunburn, currents, jellyfish and flotsam! Hop in and join the fun!
  • @Niek boy are you wound tight. I believe registration is still open. World wide in fact. You should sign up.
  • ChickenOSeaChickenOSea Charter Member
    It's open to all!! If I were not already committed that weekend I'd go and come DFL on behalf of Downunder :)))
  • IronMikeIronMike Bishkek, KyrgyzstanCharter Member
    @ChickenOSea, I thought you were from Chicago? ;)
  • bobswimsbobswims Charter Member
    Niek said:

    Only one major problem with this:
    Hey USA your not the whole of America and certainly not the whole world.

    I'll make a note of that.

    :-)

  • NiekNiek Member
    @gregoc I'm not wound tight. I only dislike the arrogant manner of the majority of the US citizens in calling everything they organize a World Championship. As though the rest of the world doesn't matter. They haven't got that right. The world is more than that small part of the world that is called the USA.
    http://openwaterswimming.eu - Cold, wind, waves, sunburn, currents, jellyfish and flotsam! Hop in and join the fun!
  • lcolettelcolette Charter Member
    edited March 2013
    deleted at @lcolette's request
  • NiekNiek Member
    edited March 2013
    I assume your an US citizen. You can't help that. I try to be kind to you. :D
    The problems with ow insurance in the USA originates in your country's "hobby" to sue everyone and everything and than also for ridiculous amounts.
    For the moment I'm not afraid of any migrating problems because -for your information because obvious you as US citizen don't know this - 1ste here we haven't got that stupid hobby and 2nd we're not a 3rd world nation.
    I looks like we from the 'old world' still have to bring more development to the 'new world' occupants.
    And no Copenhagen isn't the capital of the Netherlands like most some most in the US think. ;)
    http://openwaterswimming.eu - Cold, wind, waves, sunburn, currents, jellyfish and flotsam! Hop in and join the fun!
  • NiekNiek Member

    The last few comments have been off topic, and frankly don't do justice to the thoughtful content in the rest of this thread.

    I agree. I'm sorry but I didn't start the name calling. My previous post is a bit sharp.
    But I stand by the fact that it can't be the 10 Mile World Championships. No matter that the self-proclaimed WOWSA stands behind it.
    http://openwaterswimming.eu - Cold, wind, waves, sunburn, currents, jellyfish and flotsam! Hop in and join the fun!
  • IronMikeIronMike Bishkek, KyrgyzstanCharter Member
    So if the WOWSA hosted a 10-mile world championship somewhere in Europe, it still couldn't be called a world championship?

    I agree it is stupid we call the pinnacle of baseball the world series with only teams from two nations taking part, but I think the wOWSA can host their championships anywhere in the world and call them world championships.
  • Just a reminder to everyone of the note at the top of the home page:

    Lively discussion is welcome - but please, no personal attacks.
  • FilFil Member
    @ Niek and those who share the sentiment. A fair issue. Who are we in the relatively remote Northeast Kingdom of Vermont to host a "world" championship event?

    We are a friendly, high spirited group which is committed to making our wonderful lakes accessible to the worldwide open water swimming community. Our organizing committee has members from Cork to San Fransisco. We have a world class venue and world class accommodations (everything from grand hotels, to B&B's to camping and some wonderful restaurants on both sides of the border).

    This is not like professional baseball that hosts the "World Series" but limits the teams that can compete for that title. The use of the word "world" to our way of thinking describes the scope of the invitation. If the world wide community sees the value in what we offer, responds, and takes the challenge, then this event will will grow to be a true "world" championship. That's one of the reasons for the 5 year agreement, to allow us time to build this event.

    Our venue is a 2 hour drive from Montreal. 3.5 hours from Boston. NEKOWSA also hosts In Search of Memphre, a 25 mile international swim the length of Lake Memphremagog in September and 7 days of swimming in a variety of relatively pristine lakes in northern Vermont and the Eastern Townships of Quebec over the course of 9 days in August. On line registration and more information is at:

    http://www.kingdomswim.org/NEKOWSA.php

    (It will take about a week for us to revise the website, but online registration is open, active, and effective to reserve your place in any of these events.

    We very much appreciate WOWSA, which truly understands and supports our brand of open water swimming -- long legs, few buoys, sometimes "frisky" conditions, great support out on the water and on land, and a wonderful and growing group of good spirited open water swimmers. No Lanes - No Lines - No Limits.

    Hope you'll join us for a great swim and a great time.

    Fil
  • david_barradavid_barra Charter Member
    @Niek, Lake Memphremagog is not unknown to the international community, as the professional circuit will attest, so do come on over... and bring us your stroopwafels!
    ...anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
  • for the record... The World Baseball series is named after the initial sponsor (The World newspaper). But hey, I'm from SA so I don't really care about baseball... Give me a 5 day test any day.

    However, although I'm not going to jump on the anti-USA bashing wagon (or any bashing wagon) I do think that for any swimming compo to be called a World Championship, surely it would need to fall under FINA. Irrespective of where it is held?
  • However, although I'm not going to jump on the anti-USA bashing wagon (or any bashing wagon) I do think that for any swimming compo to be called a World Championship, surely it would need to fall under FINA. Irrespective of where it is held?

    I understand the logic, but FINA only offers world championships for their 2 international open water series, and at 5k, 10k, and 25k distances. Since they don't offer a 10 mile championship, I think it's fair game to have one.

    To me, it's kind of like World Superbikes vs. MotoGP (at least before MotoGP bought SBK). I believe that both competitions call their winners "World Champions", even though they didn't compete against the other series. Sure, it's a bit dubious, but whatever.

    Honestly, I don't anticipate being in the running for any world championships, even within my age group, so I'm just going to go swim an enjoyable swim and have a good weekend out of town.
  • I view FINA swimmers as professional OW competitors and the other OW events around the world that do not pay out for placing as amateur events. They usually attract two different classes of OW swimmers. Of course there is always crossover. Maybe for clarification the Kingdom 10-mile should be an "Amateur World Championship".
  • NiekNiek Member
    edited March 2013
    Why not the WOWSA 10 miles Championship.

    That way the sponsors name is used. Everybody happy.
    Later the FINA can hijack the idea and they will call it a World Championship.
    http://openwaterswimming.eu - Cold, wind, waves, sunburn, currents, jellyfish and flotsam! Hop in and join the fun!
  • HaydnHaydn Member
    The swimmers will decide. Just see if the best attend and claim the titles.
  • A few points that may be of interest:
    1. FINA limits its participation in its world championship open water events to 2 athletes per country. Every country has different qualification standards.
    2. FINA limits its world masters championship events to shorter races.
    3. FINA has no full-time employees devoted to supporting or promoting open water swimming.
    4. Professional swimmers are also invited to the Kingdom Swim which places no limits on the number of athletes per country.
    5. Most professional swimmers, at least those on the 2 FINA professional circuits, operate in a deficit situation. That is the prize money they earn on the circuits are not adequate to cover their training, travel and miscellaneous expenses, let alone provide them with a living that would be defined at above the poverty level in the United States. Where they can earn money is corporate and private sponsorships - just as many amateur athletes do for their own marathon swims.
    Steven Munatones
    www.worldopenwaterswimmingassociation.com
    Huntington Beach, California, U.S.A.
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