Peeing in the Pool

evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
edited March 7 in General Discussion
The latest from science:

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/2014/mar/pool-pee/
The average swimmer introduces the equivalent of up to two shot glasses of urine into a pool each time he or she takes a dip, according to previous research.
Bottoms up!
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  • NiekNiek Member
    edited March 7
    So outdoor is better?
    Salt-water fish pee constantly. ;)
    http://www.ask.com/question/do-fish-urinate
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  • TimDexTimDex Member
    Our local pool is about 12ft deep at the, err, deep end. Some swims you can see the hazy, cloudy looking water at the bottom. Those days do not involve diving practice. Pesky kids piddle!
  • ssthomasssthomas Charter Member
    Try as I may, I can't bring myself to pee in a pool....
  • IronMikeIronMike Bishkek, KyrgyzstanCharter Member
    Niek said:

    So outdoor is better?
    Salt-water fish pee constantly. ;)

    Or worse, as we learned from W.C. Fields. ;)
  • Wonder if this causes the next post down-Swimmers itch
  • david_barradavid_barra Charter Member
    I'm guessing sweat and other bodily fluids also contribute to toxic natatorium air quality.
    We used to have a working scale in our locker room, and I would do a pre and post workout weigh in. For a typical 75 minute session, I would weigh 1.5 lbs less post workout. Factor in a 27 oz bottle of sport drink and that's a lot of perspiration. (Yes... I can get through 75 minutes without peeing)
    ...anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
  • Being male, and therefore cursed with the inability to multitask, I have found that when training hard there are even fewer things I can do only simultaneously. While gasping for air at the end of a set, seeing stars with a pulse rate of 200, all my efforts for muscle control are concentrated on breathing, not my sphincter.

    Sorry.
  • I probably make up for what others do not contribute! But it comes from being an age-grouper and college swimmer...there are so many sadistical coaches out there that say "pee in the pool!" when you have to go during practice, and when the average workout is 2 hrs long, and I drink about 16 oz a workout (really I don't drink enough! but I drink before too), depending on how hot it is...peeing in the pool just isn't an issue! But really we are so hydrated that it just come out clear. ;)
  • SharkoSharko Sonoma County, CAMember
    let's be honest....most of us probably pee in the pool and I don't think any of us will die from pee induced necrosis or whatever you might call it.....
    "I never met a shark I didn't like"
  • ChickenOSeaChickenOSea Charter Member
    Don't pee in the pool after drinking Berocca
  • JBirrrdJBirrrd Member
    edited March 10
    They say there are 2 types of swimmers:
    Those who pee in the pool
    and liars.
  • bobswimsbobswims Charter Member
    I used to never pee in the pool (at least after I turned 12), but I did it regularly when I was training for the English Channel. While the pool water was very warm, it gave me an opportunity to learn how to relax my lower body. Worked like a charm.
  • loneswimmerloneswimmer Admin
    edited March 11
    Bladder Control Exercises. Some of you guys seem to need them.

    Waterproof Adult Nappies (Diapers) also.

    :-)
  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    What would we do without the practical and informative articles at WikiHow?

    http://www.wikihow.com/Pee-in-a-Swimming-Pool
  • edited March 11
    But make sure you nobody sees you
  • image

    -LBJ
    "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." - T.S. Eliot
  • This thread is totally making me relive one of my favorite old school Nickelodeon shows. Fast forward to minute 3 for this gem.

  • Guilty ;(
  • dc_in_sfdc_in_sf San FranciscoMember
    I have managed a 3 1/2 hour pool swim without relieving myself, though it is not particularly pleasant. The issue for me is getting out to use the facilities no matter how briefly invites someone to jump into your lane (which you may already be splitting).

    Thankfully my long swims are in an outdoor pool at least... :D
    http://notdrowningswimming.com - open water adventures of a very ordinary swimmer
  • ChickenOSeaChickenOSea Charter Member
    dc_in_sf said:

    I have managed a 3 1/2 hour pool swim without relieving myself, though it is not particularly pleasant. The issue for me is getting out to use the facilities no matter how briefly invites someone to jump into your lane (which you may already be splitting).

    Thankfully my long swims are in an outdoor pool at least... :D

    Exactly my "issue"! I don't get out to pee anymore, unless the pool is completely empty, or I've had some Berocca
  • dc_in_sf said:

    I have managed a 3 1/2 hour pool swim without relieving myself, though it is not particularly pleasant. The issue for me is getting out to use the facilities no matter how briefly invites someone to jump into your lane (which you may already be splitting).

    Here is the secret to being sure no one steals your lane: Go out of your way to cultivate friendships with all the Crabby Old Ladies at your pool. At the two pools I swim at I've done this for years (it can take quite awhile to break the ice with COL's). I always say "Hi" to them, notice when they have a new swimsuit, remember their names, spend a few minutes talking, remember their pet's names, and remember most other details that they tell me.

    Now when I get out to use the loo, I'll say to one of them something like "Lucy, I'm sorry to bother you, but I need to get out for a moment to use the men's room. Could you tell anyone that tries to get in my lane that I'm not done with it yet?" A wolverine with rabies isn't half as formidible as a COL on a mission. Last Saturday I had exactly that happen and when I got back to my lane there were two guys that Lucy had not only kept from taking my lane, but she wouldn't even let them share the lane with me and made them go to other people's lanes instead. It looked like both of them were going to need extensive psychotherapy to deal with the emotional trauma that Lucy inflicted on them.

    -LBJ

    "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." - T.S. Eliot
  • dc_in_sfdc_in_sf San FranciscoMember

    Exactly my "issue"! I don't get out to pee anymore, unless the pool is completely empty, or I've had some Berocca

    For those that don't know Berrocca is a multi-vitamin that contains a ridiculous amount of Vitamin B complex which makes your pee fluorescent...
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  • dc_in_sf said:

    ... contains a ridiculous amount of Vitamin B complex which makes your pee fluorescent...

    If that's the case, then I'd expect Vegemite (the food of the Gods) to do the same. The stuff has insane amounts of B vitamins.

    -LBJ

    "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." - T.S. Eliot
  • ChickenOSeaChickenOSea Charter Member
    I'll let you know
  • SydneDSydneD Member
    I can say with COMPLETE honesty that I have NEVER peed in a pool as an adult grown human person. But maybe that's because my training pool is in my backyard and I have to walk about 5 steps to the toilet.
    I do, however, swim after the men's team when my team practices at UMASS and dang, I know it's happening.
    It's almost worse, however, when a member of the team spits a big loogie into my lane before they get out.
  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    edited March 12
    TL/DR for this thread:

    Peeing in the pool is gross.
    Most people who spend more than an hour continuously in the pool (i.e., most of us) do it.
    It is still gross.
  • ZoeSadlerZoeSadler Member
    edited March 12
    I don't. I swear honestly that I don't pee in the pool! I do get out the pool every 50 minutes or so to go though, sometimes more often than that.

    I think it all stems from something I was told when I was a club swimmer in the 1980s. I was told that there was a special chemical in the pool that made pee turn pink if you went in the pool and then everyone would know what you were doing.

    I only found out it was a myth about a year ago!

    To be honest, I feel quite sick at the thought that others in the pool may be doing so. Yuk.
  • loneswimmerloneswimmer Admin
    edited March 13
    @jbirrrd might call the rest of us liars, but anyone with asthma or other respiratory health concerns may take the issue more seriously. Just because nearly everyone dismisses it, doesn't make it ok but at the same time, I'm not freaking out about it.

    Scientists have long-known that when urea—a compound present in urine—combines with chlorine, it gives off nitrogen trichloramine (NCl3), a poisonous gas that can cause acute lung injury. Scientists monitoring the presence of nitrogen trichloramine during a national swimming competition found that it doubled after the first day, increasing by three to four times throughout the rest of the four-day event.
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    Until now, much less has been known about chlorine’s reaction with uric acid, another chemical in urine. However, recent research indicates that uric acid is responsible not only for more nitrogen trichloramine, but also for a large share—between 24% and 68%—of another dangerous gas, cyanogen chloride, that wafts around indoor swimming pools. If inhaled, the latter compound can harm the lungs, heart and central nervous system, says Jing Li, professor of applied chemistry at China Agriculture University and co-author of the new study. Both nitrogen trichloramine and cyanogen chloride have been linked to acute and chronic health problems among swimmers (pdf), as well as among lifeguards and pool staff.
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    What does this mean in practice? Imagine a smallish indoor pool during peak hours (pdf, p.4), with 20 swimmers using it simultaneously. Scientists estimate that each swimmer releases 50 mL (0.25 cups) of urine, which in this scenario would equal two pint glasses of pee in total. If the chlorine levels were consistent with those typical of pools in western Europe, that would cause cyanogen chloride concentrations of 12 µg/L (.012 mg/L)—a good bit higher than the the 5 µg/L that the US National Institutes of Health cites as the lowest irritant concentration.
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    What’s to be done? Li identifies two ways to decrease the concentration of cyanogen chloride. Upping the pool’s chlorine content reduces the cyanogen chloride problem (though it may exacerbate the nitrogen trichloramine problem). Better yet, he suggests: “swimmers can improve pool conditions by simply not urinating in pool.”
  • JBirrrd said:

    They say there are 2 types of swimmers:
    Those who pee in the pool
    and liars.

    I drink Berocca and share a lane with @loneswimmer
    if I did it ye'd probably have read about it!!

    neither a liar nor a piddler be ....


    I tried to convince myself, but, orange flavour electrolyte, mixed with hot chocolate,
    tastes nothing like Terry's Chocolate Orange ....
  • JBirrrdJBirrrd Member
    edited March 13
    I said:

    They say there are 2 types of swimmers:
    Those who pee in the pool
    and liars.

    Goodness! It’s a fairly oft repeated saying I shared to make light of the situation. Obviously the humor got lost in the cross-cultural translation.

    For the record, I am not calling @loneswimmer or any of you liars. I noticed several forum members "liked" my comment. Let’s just assume they simply appreciated the humor and their "like" was not a confession about how they void while training in pools.

    I do not choose to be the poster child for pool peeing. Indeed there are far more prominent swimmers who deserve that title:
    Diana Nyad* “She volunteered the bit about peeing in the pool, unprompted.” (from Evan)
    And Ryan Lochte.

    I do not publicly confess to nor do I endorse peeing in pools. It is bad, very bad. And gross, very gross. Don't do it. But if you do, never ever admit to it. Bad idea.

  • @JBirrrd, no worries, just having a bad week and being overly sensitive. Though as someone with asthma, I have been making the case for how bad it is and why it's bad for years.

    As we all know asthma rates are higher amongst pool swimmers. Those most affected at those who can swim properly or breathe closest to the surface. Therefore the ones most affected are little kids and those with a decent technique. The casual acceptance of pissing int the pool amongst adult swimmers because coaches (understandably) tell age groups they can't leave the pool which develops into a bad habit, is lamentable and everyone excuses it. Unfortunately, even most pool staff I've spoken with don't understand the problem.

    As @David_Barra points out, all organics such as soap, conditioner, perfume, deodorant all contribute to the issue, something which is a particular recent development in the pool @SuirThing & I use, and we haven't been able to figure out why. There have been days recently when the taste of perfumes and deodorant in the water is so bad one feels nauseated especially if you are working hard. The pool management of course think @SuirThing & I are imagining it and dismiss us.
  • NiekNiek Member
    edited April 4
    We can pee in the pool again. :D

    ..... According to the National Institute of Health, cyanogen chloride poisoning creates "mild effects" in humans at concentrations of 500-1,000 micrograms per liter. Beyond the concentration threshold of 2,500 micrograms per liter, it can cause "coma, convulsions, and death." (Delightful—these are just the figures we're looking for.)

    As it turns out, the concentration of uric acid in pee is, to our calculation, about 112 times that of the uric acid concentration used in the experiment. If we could assume a proportional yield of cyanogen chloride just from using more uric acid, we could actually achieve toxic levels of cyanogen chloride for an Olympic pool of 10mg/L chlorinated water… for an equivalent quantity of urine. That means if each person is peeing 0.8L of the highly concentrated urine, their entire day's yield, into this pool, you'd need about three million people peeing in that pool. If you could get at that pool without dying of either suffocation or drowning in other people's urine, you could probably pull off death by cyanogen chloride poisoning or at least a pretty good coma......

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/ask-ars-how-much-pee-in-a-pool-would-kill-you/
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  • tortugatortuga Member
    I was caught peeing in the pool just the other day. The lifeguard screamed so loud I almost fell in. ;o)
  • classic tortuga.......
  • That means if each person is peeing 0.8L of the highly concentrated urine, their entire day's yield, into this pool, you'd need about three million people peeing in that pool.

    I bet there are almost that many in this pool:

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    -LBJ
    "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." - T.S. Eliot
  • That pool is 98% pee!

    Seriously, as a lifeguard, that picture makes me queasy.....for many reasons.
    It's always a bad hair day when you work at a pool.
  • NiekNiek Member
    edited April 11
    There's one pool in the Yao Stink district of China that somehow accommodates 230,000 people at the one time!

    http://theflyingtortoise.blogspot.nl/2012/08/the-worlds-most-over-crowded-swimming.html
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  • HaydnHaydn Member
    There are two types of swimmers, the shy ones who pee in the pool and the brave ones, who also pee in the pool..... From the top diving board.
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