# Oldest to complete Triple Crown - How to determine?

edited April 2012
This question emerged recently over beers & burritos with @VanMou and @AquaRob: How do we determine the oldest person to complete the Triple Crown of Open Water Swimming?

If Joe or Jane Q. Swimmer completes the E.C., C.C., and MIMS at ages X, Y, and Z, is his/her "Triple Crown age":
• The maximum of {X, Y, Z} ?
• The minimum of {X, Y, Z} ?
• The average of {X, Y, Z} ?
Thoughts?
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• Scottsdale, AZCharter Member
I like the minimum of {X, Y, Z}. Maximum is okay too, but I don't like it as well. It seems to reward procrastination.

I don't like using the average. You shouldn't have to whip out your calculator to find out if you've achieved a record in an adventure sport.
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The mathematician in me wants to use the sum of the weighted difficulty of each event times the age at which the events were swum to determine this. However, common sense says that the question actually asks for age at completion and that means it's Z. If someone is going to do the English Channel and Catalina at 20 years old and then wait 70 years to do Manhattan just to get the "record", then they have other issues which swimming can't help.

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• Charter Member
The way I would look at it is the age at completion of the last of the 3 swims (maximum of {X, Y, Z}). We are talking about the oldest person to complete the Triple Crown.
• Central VirginiaCharter Member
I agree with gregoc - the age at the completion of the 3 swims.
• OregonCharter Member
My vote is for calculating it in the way that works best for me in my particular situation.
• Charter Member
What about if the sum of the ages at which the swims were completed similat to age groupings for masters relay teams?

Otherwise it'd have to be the age at which all three were completed
• NYCharter Member
gregoc said:

The way I would look at it is the age at completion of the last of the 3 swims (maximum of {X, Y, Z}). We are talking about the oldest person to complete the Triple Crown.

.... but only if the EC is the last of the 3; otherwise, CC - 5years; MIMS - 10 years.

unless all 3 completed in 1 season; + 20 yrs (at least!)

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• BostonCharter Member
I'm with @mrfinbarr. Sum of ages.

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The age at which they were when they completed it. I guess I don't understand the question?

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edited February 2015
suziedods said:

The age at which they were when they completed it. I guess I don't understand the question?

I think the point of the question is that there are different ways of measuring the achievement, and each are interesting in their own way.

Imagine Person A, who completed the three swims at ages 56, 57, and 58.
Now imagine Person B, who completed the three swims at ages 25, 26, and 59.

By @suziedods' preferred method of measuring Triple Crown "age," Person B is "older."

But someone else might reasonably say that Person A was older, given that the average (or median, or minimum) age was much higher.

Just some food for thought.
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Aggregate age seems logical to me.
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I agree with what has been said before the oldest person to achieve the Triple Crown would be based on the age of completion of their last of the three swims.

That said it average age, or aggregate age would be an interesting stat to track. Either of these two ways of measurement would yield the same rankings since the average age is the aggregate age divided by 3. Average age might be more understandable than aggrevate age.
• Seattle, WACharter Member
If the Youngest Person to complete the 3C is judged by the age at completion, would not it follow that the Oldest Person be judged by the age at start?

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edited February 2015
http://dailynews.openwaterswimming.com/2015/01/triple-crown-of-open-water-swimming.html?m=1

Seems to be listed in order of age at completion of all three swims, which makes me 5th oldest...if you list by aggregate age, I'm the third oldest - so I guess I prefer by age at the last swim, 'cause I feel young, again!
• BostonCharter Member
malinaka said:

If the Youngest Person to complete the 3C is judged by the age at completion, would not it follow that the Oldest Person be judged by the age at start?

So if person A swam the three at 28, 30, and 73, s/he would be considered to have completed the three at age 28?

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I think I will wait at least another 40 years before attempting the EC.
• Boston, MACharter Member
edited February 2015
Why not take the age in days of the person at the time of each crossing and add them all together? So for example's sake, (and I'm taking the easy way out here by using the birthdate as the example) let's assume the swimmer in question did the English Channel on his 28th birthday (10,220 days old), Catalina on his 50th birthday (18,250 days old) and MIMS on his 52nd birthday (18,980 days old). You'd end up with a grand total of 47,450 days. Now, if swimmer 2 also did the EC on his 28th birthday and Catalina on his 50th, but MIMS three days AFTER his 52nd birthday, then you'd get 47,453, and swimmer 2 would be the older of the two.

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• Seattle, WACharter Member
@ironmike merely trying to suggest Oldest and Youngest metrics be analogous. It would seem inconsistent to rate one by a single age, and the other by anything other than a single age.

But so what if it was done by your example. Complete swim 1 and 2 again, and the age jumps to 73.

On the other side, Youngest may not be a record to be pursued too hard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquatots.

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emkhowley said:

Why not take the age in days of the person at the time of each crossing and add them all together? So for example's sake, (and I'm taking the easy way out here by using the birthdate as the example) let's assume the swimmer in question did the English Channel on his 28th birthday (10,220 days old), Catalina on his 50th birthday (18,250 days old) and MIMS on his 52nd birthday (18,980 days old). You'd end up with a grand total of 47,450 days. Now, if swimmer 2 also did the EC on his 28th birthday and Catalina on his 50th, but MIMS three days AFTER his 52nd birthday, then you'd get 47,453, and swimmer 2 would be the older of the two.

@emkhowley, are you accounting for Leap Years?
• MarylandSenior Member
I say aggregate age (down to the day), divided by 3, makes sense. Decide quickly. We have someone here in Maryland set to claim this title.
• New York StateMember

Ok, Just as we have oldest men, oldest women, oldest cumulative relay age, . . . Have oldest completion and a greatest average age. Maybe most years from first to last. All in fun! And since swims are sent in with documentation, there is a space for "significant features" or similar term, so put something out there! A quirky idea may catch on. Whatever gets people going, right? :-D (So speaks the Wise Old Woman of Lake George.)

• PA, U.S.Senior Member

It would be enough of a miracle if I were to complete ONE of the triple crown swims, let alone all 3. If an even greater miracle occured and I were to complete a triple crown, I'd leave the math to others. I was an English major for a reason.

Still, maybe I should work on this problem. My coach, who has an engineering degree recently threw out math problems for us to solve during 100 repeats. I actually got tone correct!