WOWSA Awards
david_barra
NYCharter Member
I’m wondering if folks around here plan on voting in the WOWSA awards. Personally, I’m torn.... many of my heroes are among the nominees, but I think the categories are so vague, and past voting campaigns (open to the world population) have skewed the results so much as to make it a running joke in some circles.
I’m going to take a wait and see approach this time around....
Good luck to all
I’m going to take a wait and see approach this time around....
Good luck to all
...anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
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Thanks for bringing the question up.
- Solo Swim of the Year (female)
- Solo Swim of the Year (male)
- Barra Award (greatest body of work, all considered)
Last year's awards process can be viewed here:
http://www.marathonswimmers.org/forum/discussions/tagged/awards
The MSF awards are different from the WOWSA awards in a few ways:
- Nominations are taken from the entire Forum community, not just Steve M.
- Winners are decided by a vote of the (marathon swimming) community, as opposed to the general public.
- Each Forum member may vote once (and only once), which prevents voting fraud.
We believe the MSF awards are better designed to recognize the truly greatest achievements in the sport of marathon swimming.
Start thinking about whom you want to nominate!
Not if DN put out a “vote for me” request on her blog....
...anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
I waited a few days to post on FB because I wasn't sure how I felt about the whole thing. There's a factual error on my nomination (my Tahoe crossing was 22.5 hours, not over 24). Also, I'm not crazy about being on the same list as DN. Is what we do really the same? And I agree, what's the point in getting as many family and friends to vote for me vs someone else? The general public has no idea what the differences are. I'd be much prouder of something nominated and voted on by peers. I don't want to win because I have more facebook friends than the next person. I'd want to win because I deserved it.
So, I'd love a vote, but I won't cry if you don't. :-)
That was especially difficult last year when Stephen Redmond, and @evmo & I (and the forum) were nominated. Stephen is a friend of mine, and I thought him utterly deserving of a win. But many of the Irish swimmers can tell of an offline voting campaign last year that was run over here amongst many non-swimmers to vote for Steve, in which Steve himself ironically had no part. (Flyers at Christmas swims, that sort of thing).
It's not spilling any beans either I think to say @evmo & I discussed our conflicted opinions over our own nomination and in the end decided it might be good for the forum, and therefore in the long run better to allow everyone to connect more.
It's my unproven/unprovable opinion that post l'affaire Nyad, if it is past, that @Munatones now sees the forum, and me and @evmo and others here as some kind of (probably very minor) bêtes noire to his Network of Global Open Water Source Global Daily News of Open Water Swimming Global Network. The fact that pretty much everything @evmo & I say is out in the open (excepting where we promise confidentiality!) is our, your and this forum's real advantage.
Afterall, the biggest story in open water swimming in the world THIS YEAR, came from here, making a nonsense of an organ calling itself Daily News. I just wanted to say organ. :-)
I think @Munatones has partially taken past criticism of the WOWSA awards on board, particularly requiring a registration per vote and they are improved. But I still find it difficult when I see friends on the lists, because I think some of the underlying problems remain and I don't want to insult friends.
BTW, I was very surprised by the complete lack of reaction from seemingly anyone to the fact that the forum was taken down twice by DNS attacks during the height of the Nyad controversy. We've never known the source of those attacks.
Have you seen the ads for the Diana Nyad movie/book/furry toy on the front page of DNOWS?
And they wonder why we all ...
loneswimmer.com
We're all just carbon, water, starlight, oxygen and dreams
...anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
At the same time, there were some nominees that I didn't know of before the announcement. I quite like the Origami-kayak!
Sylle - EC Fly 2013 [Video]
WOWSA is a more general: Open Water Swimming. This takes us from a 350meter sprint in a wetsuit as part of a triathlon to ice swimming to marathon swimming to beach lifeguarding I suppose.
In Acting you have Oscars, Emmys, Tonys, etc. They also have http://www.peopleschoice.com/pca/ a popular vote kind of award. I am sure many "in the guild" would treasure an Oscar - voted by their peers...and at the same time many in the "general entertainment sector" would treasure a peopleschoice - voted by a few million.
Not better or worse > just different.
So the WOWSA Awards are more general in nature and a kind of popular vote. On the positive side I have seen it energize Ireland twice in the past few years it brought OW swimming to the attention (if only for 100 seconds) to tens of thousands. On a strictly selfish/personal note...I am never supposed to take a vacation in March, June, September and December (end of the sale quarter). Being nominated a few years ago allowed my boss to "exempt me" from that stuff and I swam Catalina last September and False Bay last December > so thanks WOWSA!
The WOWSA winners I saw at the last two Global Open Water Conferences have brought honour to open water and as Dave Barra said to start this > some are my heroes.
So vote I did. It was a tough one: Wendy with her over and back EC or Sylvain with his butterfly (I've hugged them both..several times...so that wasn't the decider) or some old duffer with 9 marathons. My girlfriend is French so she voted for Sylvain...his fiancee was born in Texas and still hasn't decided.
Bring on the Forum nominations next week. She was nominated for WOWSA in 2011 but I think WOWSA is not set up for achievements over the long haul. Year after year..has any woman swum with as much speed, style, class and humility as Marcy MacDonald..14 EC, 3 doubles and keeps going for that triple.
And I'll be voting again.
Greg - did you nominate Miley Cirus for peopleschoice?
Ned
I totally understand the controversy about DN. I value the questions raised by so many on this forum. And, I value and fully support channel crossing rules as a standard in our 10 mile Kingdom Swim (we do have three other divisions, wet suit, assisted and canine!!). And I have fought the “fast suit” battle in 2009 and 2010. Our hand carved walking sticks go only to 10 milers who follow the highest standards.
But, I value WOWSA and the Daily News of Open Water Swimming. From the git go, Steve Munatones and Daily News have reported on our efforts to bring open water swimming to some incredible fresh water venues in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont. His reporting of our efforts has been totally helpful. And, last year, when USMS threw long course open water swims under the bus (just as we were ready to host a USMS national championship), Steve and WOWSA were there to lend support. Our WOWSA 10 Mile World Championships may not be drawing swimmers from around the world just yet. But, we are busy inviting the world to come join us.
And, it means a lot to us that two of our Memphre Swimmer Scouts have been nominated for WOWSA Woman of the Year, Charlotte Brynn and Sarah Thomas. And, I’m thrilled that Lynn Kubasek would get a tip of the cap in the nominations. Well deserved. All great good spirits, worthy of such recognition and inclusion in such a strong list of nominees.
And so, I’m voting. Happy to support some great swimmers, some great accomplishments and some daring efforts.
Fil
If it has Bruce Willis in it, lot's of guns and stuff blowing up...I'm there.
I'll pass on the really classy (boring stuff)
I think mentioning the Oscars was a bad analogy
Maybe a better example is English Premiership Football (soccer):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFA_Fans'_Player_of_the_Year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFA_Players'_Player_of_the_Year
They have a different voting group...and are both highly valued
One not better or worse...just different.
WOWSA defines the criteria for 'Man of the Year' and 'Woman of the Year' as:
The criteria for 'Performance of the Year' are slightly different, citing "...demonstrated the most impressive open water swimming performance of the year" for Item #3 rather than "most positively influenced."
In practice, Steve's 'Performance of the Year' nominees sometimes don't cite a specific performance, which confuses the voting criteria. In the past, some individuals have been nominated in two categories, leading to them splitting their own vote (e.g., Penny Palfrey in 2011).
Perhaps I am thinking about this too literally.
Credit where credit is due: They seem to have implemented procedures this year to prevent certain voting abuses. Cool.